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    Canada presents bill banning conversion therapy https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51773586
    • Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage caption The so-called therapy is widely discredited
    • Canada's government is moving ahead with plans for a nationwide ban on conversion therapy.


    Newly proposed federal legislation would make it illegal to have a minor undergo the practice or have someone undergo it against their will.

    The so-called therapy seeks to help change someone's sexuality or gender identity and is widely discredited.
    Federal Justice Minister David Lametti said the practice was "premised on a lie".

    The legislation, introduced on Monday, proposes five changes to the federal criminal code related to conversion therapy.


    If it is passed, it would become illegal to:

    • Cause a minor to undergo conversion therapy
    • Remove a minor from Canada to undergo the practice
    • Cause a person to undergo conversion therapy against their will
    • Profit from providing conversion therapy
    • Advertise an offer to provide conversion therapy


    Mr Lametti said the proposed bill did not target private conversations about sexual orientation or gender identity with the likes of teachers, school counsellors, faith leaders, or mental health professionals.


    The opposition federal NDP said it would work with the minority Liberal government to pass the legislation.


    Conversion therapy has been widely discredited by major psychotherapy and medical associations in many countries, including Canada, the US and the UK, and is opposed by the World Health Organization and the United Nations.


    Various forms of conversion therapy continue to be carried out across the world on LGBT people, despite scientific evidence that it is harmful and ineffective.


    In 2018, thousands of Canadians rallied behind two petitions calling for a nationwide ban on conversion therapy, but the federal government rejected the plea at the time.


    Four provinces in Canada - Ontario, Manitoba, Prince Edward Island, and Nova Scotia - have already taken steps to limit conversion therapy within their jurisdictions, as have some cities.


    Canada is not the first country to look at implementing restrictions or bans on the practice.It is banned in Ecuador and Malta.


    In November, Germany published a draft law intended to stop groups offering the service to people under 18.


    In 2018, the UK announced plans to bring forward proposals to end conversion therapy, which it called a "harmful practice".

    In the US, 20 states have moved ahead with a prohibition on conversion therapy for minors, including California, which did so in 2012, and Utah, which did so this year.
    Last edited by harrymsmarkle; 03-10-2020, 05:56 AM.

  • #2
    Wow, I didn't even know they used conversion therapy in this day and age..
    It defo should be banned. I am thinking of a movie .. that is about this conversion therapy.. excellent movie that has slipped my mind. It is about a boy who underwent conversion therapy because they found out he was gay. He also was an artist and was with a girl.. I can't seem to find it on google either.

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    • #3
      Just found it.. "The Danish Girl".... watch if ya haven't, tc.

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      • #4
        ...thanks, PB...I've already seen one movie concerning conversion therapy: "Boy Erased"...that was enough...evangelical Christians have a lot to explain...

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        • #5
          Is that like "Attitude Adjustment"?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sabang View Post
            Is that like "Attitude Adjustment"?
            ...no, more like psychological (and, in some cases, physical) torture of folks "Christians" don't like...an assault of ignorance on nature...

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            • #7
              Oh. As opposed to Taoists.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sabang View Post
                Oh. As opposed to Taoists.
                ...apples as opposed to oranges...

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                • #9
                  ...and here we have the main proponents of conversion "therapy" explaining why it is necessary:

                  Religious figures blame LGBT+ people for coronavirus
                  By Hugo Greenhalgh, Thomson Reuters Foundation
                  https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious...164546547.html
                  ReutersMarch 9, 2020, 11:45 PM GMT+7

                  LONDON, March 9 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Hurricane Katrina. The New Zealand earthquake. Even the Spanish economy.
                  Over the years, LGBT+ people have been blamed for disasters both natural and man-made, and now they stand accused of being responsible for the coronavirus epidemic.

                  Several U.S. religious figures and an influential Israeli rabbi have suggested the emergence of the virus is divine retribution for same-sex activity, which they see as sinful.

                  The World Health Organization, which is leading the global fight against the outbreak, has called for an end to misinformation, warning it fuels stigmatisation and discrimination.

                  "Harmful ideas like this only perpetuate stigma," added Kate Dodson, vice-president for global health strategy at the U.N. Foundation, a charity that supports the United Nations' work.

                  "During this time of heightened fear around the new virus, it is even more important to separate fact from fiction and reject all forms of stigma," she said in emailed comments to the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

                  The coronavirus, which is thought to have originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan, has infected more than 100,000 people worldwide and caused almost 4,000 deaths.

                  Medical experts believe the illness first infected a bat or another animal and was then passed onto a human - though exactly how is still unclear.

                  As scientists toil for answers, some preachers have stepped in to offer their own interpretations.
                  "God's love shows it is urgent to repent, because the Bible teaches homosexuals lose their souls and God destroys LGBT societies," said pastor Steven Andrew of the USA Christian Church in a press release.

                  Last week U.S. radio host and Protestant minister Earl Walker Jackson used his show to criticise the impact of what he called the "homosexual movement", calling it "the 'homovirus' for the family", an apparent coronavirus reference.
                  The LGBT+ community has been a scapegoat for disasters throughout history.

                  Hurricane Sandy, which hit the East Coast of America in 2012, was described by a U.S. rabbi as "divine justice" for the state of New York legalising gay marriage a year earlier.

                  A 1978 drought in California was blamed on the U.S. state's liberal attitude towards LGBT+ people.
                  On Saturday, Meir Mazuz, an Israel-based Sephardic rabbi, said the coronavirus was divine retribution for Pride parades around the world.

                  "(The Pride march is) a parade against nature, and when someone goes against nature, the one who created nature takes revenge on him," the Israeli daily newspaper, Israel Hayom, reported Mazuz as saying. (Reporting by Hugo Greenhalgh @hugo_greenhalgh and Sonia Elks; Editing by Claire Cozens. Please credit the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of Thomson Reuters, that covers the lives of people around the world who struggle to live freely or fairly. Visit http://news.trust.org)






                  Last edited by harrymsmarkle; 03-10-2020, 01:16 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Canada is a libruuul, godless place.

                    Shall the coronavirus befall them and eradicate the sinners!
                    “Don’t get sick of me just yet, for I will be here for quite a while”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by serrollt View Post
                      Shall the coronavirus befall them and eradicate the sinners!
                      ...my hope would be that Typhoid Marys bring the virus into the megachurches to demonstrate the Lord's Wrath for intolerance, abysmal ignorance, complacency in the face of evil and hatred of "the other"...I would further hope that the virus would find its way to the wealthy, money-grubbing tele-preachers and their pulpits of shame...and send them all to meet their deity in darkness and oblivion...monsters, all of them...
                      Last edited by harrymsmarkle; 03-10-2020, 09:24 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by serrollt View Post
                        Canada is a libruuul, godless place.

                        Shall the coronavirus befall them and eradicate the sinners!

                        ya, right. .



                        800px-Countries_banning_conversion_therapy.svg.jpg

                        Map of countries that have bans on sexual orientation and gender identity change efforts with minors. Ban on conversion therapy on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity
                        De facto ban on conversion therapy
                        Case-by-case bans
                        Ban on conversion therapy pending or proposed
                        No ban on conversion therapy


                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

                        oh that map doesn't show the countries color coded. Just look at the bottom of the link on what countries have banned conversion therapy etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by harrymsmarkle View Post
                          ...my hope would be that Typhoid Marys bring the virus into the megachurches to demonstrate the Lord's Wrath for intolerance, abysmal ignorance, complacency in the face of evil and hatred of "the other"...I would further hope that the virus would find its way to the wealthy, money-grubbing tele-preachers and their pulpits of shame...and send them all to meet their deity in darkness and oblivion...monsters, all of them...

                          Now now Tom.. violence begets violence.. I wouldn't wish the coronavirus on my worst enemy, but that's just me.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by harrymsmarkle View Post
                            ...my hope would be that Typhoid Marys bring the virus into the megachurches to demonstrate the Lord's Wrath for intolerance, abysmal ignorance, complacency in the face of evil and hatred of "the other"...I would further hope that the virus would find its way to the wealthy, money-grubbing tele-preachers and their pulpits of shame...and send them all to meet their deity in darkness and oblivion...monsters, all of them...


                            Who's next tomcat, the Jews, Muslims? Or maybe Blacks, how about the handicapped?

                            You're a prejudiced bigot through and through and an awful person, lets be honest

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mr Tinkles View Post
                              Who's next tomcat
                              ...interesting, I'm "tomcat" now, but "poof" in other posts...finally embarrassed by your puerile name-calling then...

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