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  • #46
    but if the investigation had been conducted professionally, and if the evidence against Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin was overwhelming, it is hard to imagine protests of the magnitude and intensity as what has been seen in Rangoon in the last week.


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    • #47
      We should not turn our backs merely because they are Burmese.


      53 minutes ago

      If two Britons had been sentenced to death row, and this much doubt surrounded their case, the outcry would be huge

      Police chiefs look at a beach near the spot where bodies of two killed British tourists were found on the island of Koh Tao
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      On Christmas Eve, a Thai court sentenced two Burmese workers to death
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      • #48
        Myanmar to appeal Koh Tao murder case
        30/12/2015

        Myanmar's ambassador to Thailand, U Win Maung, on Wednesday visited the Lawyers Council of Thailand to seek its help in launching an appeal to the death sentences given to the two men found guilty of killing two British tourists on Koh Tao island last year.

        "We're to take the case to the Appeal Court. It's the chance that we are hoping for," he said through an interpreter.

        Last Thursday the Koh Samui Court found Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 22, guilty of raping and murdering Hannah Witheridge, 23, and killing David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in September 2014. The ruling prompted protests in Myanmar and at Thai embassies in some other countries.

        Mr U Win Maung said the relationship between Thailand and Myanmar would not be undermined by the case as the Myanmar government understood Thailand's judicial process.

        He said he hoped the case would be treated well and fairly by the Appeal Court.

        LCT president Dej-udom Krairit said the council had accepted the plea to work on an appeal for the two Myanmar men.

        "We will do the best we can as they give us confidence that they are not guilty," he said, adding the appeal procedure would take at least a year.

        The Myanmar government will support some of the funding for the LCT to do its work on the case, although the LCT does not charge its clients.

        Under court procedures, an appeal request must be submitted within 30 days of the Court of First Instance's reading of the verdict.

        But the LCT plans to ask for extension as there are many details to the case that the court will need to consider before making a decision.

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        • #49
          Shoddy work from beginning to end

          opinion

          Koh Tao debacle: Shoddy work from beginning to end

          January 1, 2016



          The investigation into the murder of two British backpackers on Koh Tao was, from the very start, a muddled affair. Yet, despite public revelations of mishandling of the case by the police and widespread doubt about the guilt of the accused, the authorities were caught by surprise at the international outcry that greeted last week's court ruling.

          The sentencing to death of the accused, two Myanmar migrant workers, provoked a raucous street protest in Yangon and grumbling in Nay Pyi Taw. Irked government officials claimed the reaction was all a conspiracy to discredit the Royal Thai Police. It would be wonderful if it could be so easily imagined away.

          The inescapable fact is that the controversy surrounding the Koh Tao case is only the latest global outcry directed at the Thai police force, whose reputation and credibility now seem irrevocably tainted in the eyes of most outsiders and indeed many citizens.

          The Koh Tao investigation was compromised from the beginning, when police failed to properly seal off the crime scene. A rumour that the attack was carried out by someone linked to influential figures on the island was summarily dismissed and investigators quickly focused on the migrant community, refusing to even contemplate the possibility that Thais might have been involved. The police gave no explanation for this shift in focus, which saw Myanmar migrants Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun arrested and charged with the despicable crime.

          Respected forensic scientist Pornthip Rojanasunand, who has clashed with law-enforcement officials in the past, was denied access to the investigators' findings. That decision suggests that the police allowed emotion to overrule duty and professional ethics. Dr Pornthip was, however, able to testify subsequently in court that the police had failed to analyse blood found at the crime scene and might have destroyed evidence by prematurely moving the body of one victim.

          More doubts were raised over the failure to run comparative DNA tests the female victim's clothing and a hoe that was the purported murder weapon. Pornthip, acting on behalf of the defendants, conducted that test and found that the DNA on the hoe did not match that of the accused.

          The court presumably attached more credence to prosecution testimony that the suspects' semen was found on the female victim's body, even though analysis of the DNA samples of three people was, in the view of other witnesses, done too hastily.

          Most troubling of all for the police case - and for the police force's reputation - is the fact the defendants, having withdrawn their confessions once a lawyer was belatedly provided, claimed they had admitted to the crime after being tortured. The court did not even take this point into consideration.

          In spite of these many doubts and shortcomings, the national police chief, Pol Gen Jakthip Chaijinda, had the audacity to suggest that an unnamed political group had instigated the ensuing protests to discredit his men. Deputy police spokesman Pol Maj Gen Piyaphan Pingmuang wondered aloud why, of the 126 murder cases involving Burmese in this country in the past year, no others met with protest.

          The simple answer is that none of the other cases caught the interest of the foreign press, which stemmed from the fact that the victims in this murder were citizens of Britain, where the news media are not only highly opinionated but also alert to the hazards of Thai tourism.

          Moreover, the story evoked an all-too-common narrative - defenceless migrant workers becoming ready scapegoats in criminal probes and the victims of the whims of the rich and powerful. Those from Myanmar know all too well the pitfalls presented by working here, beginning with horrendous labour conditions. The protest in Yangon - which forced the Thai embassy to close out of security concerns - was at core an expression of anger over Thai attitudes and behaviour towards their countrymen.

          In what can only be viewed as a bid to save face, Defence Minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan ordered a hunt for the "masterminds" behind the protest rallies in Myanmar and Thailand. Rather than making matters worse, he should be pushing for a reform of the police force.

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          • #50
            More opinion on this
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            • #51
              Statement of Police Lt-Gen Panya Mamen

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              One tourist murder suspect now arrested, another on the run
              September 23, 2014



              The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

              Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

              He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

              He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

              He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

              He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

              He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today.

              The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world.

              He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation.

              Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said.

              Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

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              • #52
                He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation.

                Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen


                Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen was REMOVED from the case .
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                • #53
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                  • #54
                    Myanmar-Thai relations

                    Nationalist monks rally over double-murder verdict
                    Joe Freeman
                    Additional reporting by Aung Naing Soe and Steve Tickner
                    December 31, 2015


                    At a rally in Yangon on ​Dec. 29 organized by hardline Buddhist group Ma Ba Tha, a prominent nationalist monk, U Pamaukka, urges the release of two young Burmese migrant workers.
                    (Photo by Steve Tickner)

                    YANGON,
                    Myanmar -- One of Myanmar's leading Buddhist nationalist monks, U Pamaukka, made a startling vow before several hundred protesters gathered in a sports field on Dec. 29.

                    He would leave the monkhood and join the army if that was what it would take to defend the lives of two Burmese migrant workers who had just been sentenced to death in Thailand, he said.

                    "I can bravely say from here that I can disrobe and [I] dare to pick up the gun," he told the cheering crowd in Yangon's Tamwe district.

                    After Myanmar's Nov. 8 national elections left the country's radical Buddhists in the cold, the conviction in Thai courts of migrant workers Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun for the 2014 murder of two British backpackers on the Thai island of Koh Tao has given the Buddhist groups an opportunity to stir up nationalist sentiments and try to revive support for their cause.


                    Several dozen monks associated with the extreme nationalist group known as Ma Ba Tha attended a ​Dec. 29 rally in Yangon ​urging the immediate release of two young Burmese migrant workers.
                    (Photo by Steve Tickner)

                    On Dec. 24, a panel of judges in Koh Samui found the two defendants, both 22 years old, guilty of killing David Miller and raping and murdering Hannah Witheridge. Many critics have taken issue with Thai investigators, claiming their probe of the crime was deeply flawed, and the men plan on appealing.

                    The reaction in Myanmar to the convictions was swift and emotional, with many protesting that the two men were scapegoats for a crime they insist was committed by locals. The holes in the case, from the absence of proper DNA testing to the allegations of coerced -- and later retracted -- confessions, reinforced the scapegoat theory. Thailand's reputation for treating its migrant work force poorly and the fact that the two convicted were from Rakhine state, a hotbed of nationalism, raised the stakes for the accused Burmese.

                    Protests in Myanmar have intensified in the wake of the ruling, drawing angry responses from ordinary citizens and senior officials in the president's office alike. The anti-Thai rhetoric has now taken on a different tone after radical monks like U Pamaukka became involved and Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha defended the verdict on Dec. 28.

                    U Pamaukka is a member of Ma Ba Tha, or the Committee for the Protection of Race and Religion, which has been leading demonstrations against the court's decision. The involvement of such figures has increased the presence of Ma Ba Tha and like-minded organizations at the protests.

                    Also attending the Dec. 29 protest were the Arakan National Party, the Patriotic Myanmar Monks Union, the Myanmar National Network and the Peace and Diversity Party, which is, ironically, notorious for its extremist views. All are affiliated in some way to Ma Ba Tha.


                    A banner calling for a boycott of Thai products in Myanmar is displayed at a rally organized by the extreme nationalist group known as Ma Ba Tha in support of two young Burmese migrant workers.
                    (Photo by Steve Tickner)

                    Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director for Human Rights Watch, pointed to a combination of factors pulling in Ma Ba Tha and their ideological kin.

                    "No one should forget that at its core, the Ma Ba Tha is an ultra-nationalist organization wrapped in conservative Buddhist cloth, and that these two men in prison in Thailand are both Buddhist Rakhine," he told the Nikkei Asian Review.

                    "Plus, pushing against Thailand and its decades of systematic abuse of the rights of Burmese migrant workers is quite popular in Myanmar because every family has a story of a relative who went to Thailand and was beaten, abused, and cheated by corrupt police and nasty employers. So this is a natural issue for the Ma Ba Tha, and I'm not surprised they are pushing hard on this."

                    POLITICS AND RELIGION

                    Until the rout of candidates linked to conservative religious groups in the Nov. 8 election, Buddhist nationalists were enjoying a banner year.

                    Sympathetic lawmakers had passed four "race and religion" bills that restricted the rights of religious minorities, specifically the Muslims. One of the laws created bureaucratic and legal obstacles for Buddhists wishing to marry outside their faith.

                    The support these groups garnered allegedly deterred Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy from nominating even a single Muslim candidate. As such, while the NLD's landslide win was a clear vote for democracy, Myanmar's new government will not have any representation of Muslims.

                    Such was the huge influence wielded by the radical monks before the election. But Ma Ba Tha made one big mistake: it backed the wrong horse.

                    Wirathu, one of the group's most media-savvy leaders, openly supported President Thein Sein and the ruling Union Solidarity and Development Party before and throughout the election campaign. He warned that the NLD would not protect Myanmar's Buddhist culture. When voters overwhelmingly supported Suu Kyi's party on Nov. 8, giving them nearly 80% of parliamentary seats, Ma Ba Tha's influence wilted.

                    In December, the U.S. government delivered another blow by specifically restricting funding through aid channels to the group.

                    CHALLENGE AHEAD FOR NLD


                    Suu Kyi does not have to confront this problem just yet, even though monks did protest briefly at her house following the verdict. New lawmakers will start their terms in February and the NLD will only select the country's next president in March.

                    "I am not worried about this," U Win Htein, a member of the party's central executive committee, told NAR. "The Thein Sein administration has to deal with it now."

                    But with a lengthy appeal process lurching into motion, the Suu Kyi administration is likely to have to wade in too.

                    People sign petitions directed at the Thai government at a rally organized by the extreme nationalist ​group Ma Ba Tha in support of two young Burmese migrant workers.

                    (Photo by Steve Tickner)

                    For now, public anger about the Thai ruling shows little sign of abating. After the protests in Tamwe on Tuesday, monks and supporters headed to the Thai embassy in the afternoon. Barricades were already in place, and more than a dozen local police officers gave additional protection.

                    "We, monks, like to request Myanmar police to coordinate with us. We will not go back till we get what we want," said one of the organizers at the front of the barricades.

                    Demonstrators sang the national anthem. Further along by the road, where traffic crawled, they waved banners in Burmese and broken English.

                    "We request to Thai government. Free Zaw Linn and Win Zaw Htun," read one banner.

                    "Mass rally to freedom two Myanmar citizens who execute Thailand court," the largest one read.

                    There were also banners appealing to Thailand's king for clemency.

                    Tayza Wuntha, 28, who belongs to the Patriotic Myanmar Monks Union, said the protests would continue sporadically until the two men in Thailand walk free.

                    He had little confidence that diplomatic overtures by the Burmese government would work, he added.

                    "The state will pursue its own options in this case and we will pursue our own," he said. "So I don't have anything to comment on what Myanmar officials are doing."

                    Win Ko Ko Latt, 33, chairman of the Myanmar National Network, said that it was the duty of Myanmar's citizens and leaders to get involved.

                    "Like me, the president, Thein Sein, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and the Chief of Defense [Min Aung Hlaing], they all are citizens. They are also responsible as we are. Every citizen is responsible for this," he said. ""We will protest until they get released. We will do whatever we can do."

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                    • #55
                      Koh Tao protesters face legal action
                      January 2, 2016

                      Yangon - Protesters against the Koh Tao sentence in front of the Royal Thai Embassy in Yangon will face legal action, said Win Shwe from Dagon Township police.

                      Yangon residents staged protests between December 24 and 30 against the Koh Tao ruling which sentenced two Myanmar migrant workers, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Tun, to death for seven charges, including killing two British tourists.

                      "They should have obtained official permission for the protests in advance in accordance with the law. We shall bring them to court under Section 18 [of the Peaceful Assembly and Procession Law]. Now we're checking who took part in the protests," said the police officer.

                      About 10 demonstrators gathered near the Thai embassy in the morning of December 28. When the police warned them about the assembly law with a loudspeaker, they disbanded. But in the afternoon about 50 demonstrators gathered near the embassy, holding banners saying "we want justice" and chanting the national anthem.

                      Myanmar's army chief, Senior General Min Aung Hlaing, asked for a review of the sentence and expressed his concerns about the verdict in a New Year message to Thailand's junta leaders. Some political parties and civil society organisations released statements calling for the release of the two workers.

                      Joining them was Rakhine National Party (RNP). Chairman Aye Maung and 13 MPs signed the letter submitted to King Bhumibol Adulyadej and Thai Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha requesting a review into the Koh Tao ruling.

                      People in Rakhine State also staged a protest against the verdict, calling for the release of the two migrants. Rakhine youths plan prayer protests on Saturday and Sunday across the state.

                      "A judicial review should be made. All the news says there were no witnesses to the killing. A person should be punished only when they are convicted with strong evidence," Phay Than from the RNP said.

                      Taw Phaya, 92, grandson of the last Myanmar king Thibaw, on December 27 also sent a letter requesting the Thai king's help in the review of the verdict.

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                      • #56

                        Saturday, January 2, 2016



                        (Photo: The Irrawaddy)

                        Kyaw Zwa MoeMin OoKZM: International newspapers, some Thai organizations as well as Burmese organizations, alleged that the two were tortured during the investigation process and that there were no eye-witness and the evidence was not concrete. To what extent are those allegations true?

                        MO: They [Thai authorities] acted to the prejudice of those two Burmese workers. Win Zaw Tun and Zaw Lin were not among the suspects when likely suspects were first named. Before they were arrested, two foreign suspects were interrogated.

                        KZMMO: Christopher is their friend and another one, Sean, was a guitar player at a bar. They were released. They were reportedly interrogated, but details of the interrogation were not released. We think these two must know something about the murder, and they should be interrogated. Both Britain and Thailand have to seriously consider this.

                        KZM: There have been protests against the death penalty verdict in Myanmar. And the military chief Snr Gen Min Aung Hlaing has called on the Thai government to review the case and Thai authorities have also issued responses. The case seems to have escalated into a foreign relations issue between the two countries. What is your assessment of the latest developments of the case, Ko Kyaw Kha?

                        Kyaw Kha: The news of the death penalty ruling spread immediately. Consequently, some people have staged protests in front of the Thai Embassy in Yangon. The protests are ongoing and have intensified. Protests have spread beyond Yangon and reached other towns in Upper and Lower Myanmar including Mandalay and Monwya. The protests have reached border trade towns like Myawady, Tachilek and Three Pagodas Pass. These protests made Thailand respond. Even Thai Prime Minister Prayuth had to speak at a press conference on the case. Tensions are still running high and protests are still going on.

                        KZM: Ko Kyaw Kha, you went to the scene after the murder to cover the case last year. What did you see then?

                        KKKZMMO: The result of the first DNA test showed that DNA samples did not match. Then, they [Thai authorities] did the test again and said that the result showed that the DNA samples matched.

                        At the court hearings, our defense lawyers pointed out the holes in the DNA testing, and requested for re-testing of DNA. Judges were changed frequently at the court. At first, the court accepted our request, but then a few days later, they declined our request, giving a number of reasons.

                        KZM: What did Dr Pornthip say at that time?

                        MO: She mainly pointed out that there are certain standards in doing DNA tests. The murder took place at the beach and the DNA test was carried out long after the murder. She said Bangkok should send a DNA expert team to examine the evidence and that the examination process should be transparent. She said these things were not done and the result therefore would not be right.

                        KZM: Another thing is they confessed committing the murder at first. Later, they denied it. Everyone says that they were forced to confess. What did you see?

                        MO: When we visited them in prison for the first time, at a glance we knew something was wrong. They responded weirdly. We knew that they were hiding something as they did not answer our questions. We assumed that they would tell the truth in the presence of someone who they can trust and rely on. So, we discussed with the Myanmar embassy, and Myanmar government and we brought their parents. As we expected, they said they had confessed because of torture and threats when their parents came.

                        KZM: There have been protests in front of the Thai Embassy and the residence of National League for Democracy (NLD) leader Daw Aung San Suu Kyi. Ko Kyaw Kha, do you see any sign that the protests may intensify? I ask because some people have other grievances not related to the verdict. What else do you see?

                        KK: I have seen signs that there will be more protests. For example, Ma Ba Tha members have joined the protests. Regarding the protest in front of the residence of Daw Aung Suu Kyi, U Win Htein told the protesters that though the party had won the election, it has not yet assumed power.

                        There are suggestions that rather than Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and the military chief, it is President U Thein Sein who should contact the Thai government.

                        KZMMOKK: The case has become a cause for concern. Thai media agencies have assessed that if the ruling is not reconsidered transparently, it may strain relations between Thailand and Myanmar. As there are protests at the border, some Thai media suggest that the Thai government and detectives from Britain should undertake field investigations and make public the findings, openly and transparently, for the knowledge of Myanmar and Thai people.

                        KZM: My final question. What can we expect from an appeal to the ruling?

                        MOKZM: Thank you for the discussion.

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                        • #57

                          Sasiwan Mokkhasen
                          05 January 2016




                          BANGKOKBangkok Metropolitan Police Bureau, the General Staff Division of Royal Thai Policestatementaction
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                          • #58
                            Thai embassy in Yangon remains closed amid protests over Koh Tao convictions
                            7th January 2016

                            Burmese nationalist Buddhist monks display placards featuring pictures of Win Zaw Htun and Zaw Lin during a protest rally against a Thai court's verdict sentencing two Myanmar migrant workers to death in Yangon, Tuesday.

                            THE Thai embassy in Yangon has extended its closure over concerns about the ongoing demonstrations that began in the city last month over the death sentences handed down to Burmese migrant workers in Koh Tao for murdering two British tourists.

                            According to the Bangkok Post, the embassy had planned to open on Monday, but concerns for staff and Thai nationals have forced it to remain closed.

                            An announcement on the Thai embassy site reads:

                            Eleven Myanmar reported that a petition was sent to the Thai embassy on January 5 with the signatures of more than 25,000 people protesting against the verdict.


                            The protests began after the verdict, with The Nation reporting on December 26 that more than 1000 residents had gathered outside the embassy on Christmas Day:

                            Yesterday, more than 1,000 Yangon residents showed up outside the Royal Thai Embassy from about 10.30am to protest and voice their dissatisfaction over the verdict.At the time of going to press, some 100 protesters were still camped outside the embassy, while monks lit candles in front of the building.

                            On December 30, the Associated Press reported that hundreds had gathered in a fifth day of protests over the conviction:

                            Hundreds of people in Burma (Myanmar) have staged a fifth day of protests against death sentences issued by a Thai court to two Burma men convicted of murdering a pair of British backpackers, but who are seen by many as scapegoats in the high-profile case.

                            One of the protesters, comedian Khin Hlaing, said the reputation of the nation was at stake. The Nation quoted him:


                            Death sentences were handed to Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun on December 24 for murdering British tourists Hannah Witheridge and killing David Miller on Koh Tao in September 2014. Autopsies revealed Witheridge had also been raped.


                            Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.Asian Correspondent:

                            Many observers had anticipated the proceeding at the Koh Samui Courthouse would lead to the acquittal of the two Burmese migrants workers who insist they are innocent, and there has been strong international reaction to the guilty verdict and death sentence.

                            Both men have said they are innocent and were tortured by police for their confessions.

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                            • #59
                              opinion
                              Police, courts, govt all to blame for Koh Tao verdict
                              Michael Weldon
                              January 9, 2016

                              The Thai press has done a terrible, if typical, job of reporting on the Koh Tao rape-murder case, just parroting whatever the police say, not that any of what the police said made any sense.

                              It is actually surprising the Thai police didn't try to claim the deaths of the two British victims were suicides.

                              Everyone, even my Thai friends, believes that locals backed by "big money" are responsible for the crime and that the Myanmar accused are completely innocent.

                              In my humble opinion, the government did not consider the consequences of allowing the courts to bring a verdict of guilty and thus created an international crisis. Was it intentional, or is the government actually that stupid?

                              The guilty is also illogical in the sense that the two accused are so short in stature, even by Asian standards, that could hardly have overcome and kill a burly foreigner and an independent Western woman.

                              An armed person or a gang might have a chance against a pair of Westerners, but never one on one. And the hoe allegedly used in the killings is so unwieldy as to be a hindrance rather than a weapon.

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                              • #60
                                Why is everyone worried about these two small Burmese ?

                                Because the REAL KILLER is WALKING AROUND FREE .

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