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  • #16
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    • #17
      The original post sums up a lot of it, but everyone sees things from a different angle.
      Looked at cynically, I think lawyers are like highly-paid prostitutes. One person wants a certain outcome and goes about doing it through legal channels. Lawyers are highly trained and prostitute their intellect, morals and skills....in other words they sell themselves to whoever comes along.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ShaunSheep View Post
        Lawyers are highly trained and prostitute their intellect, morals and skills....in other words they sell themselves to whoever comes along.
        I see it more as them prostituting their abnormal sociopathic nature where they see twisting lying cheating manipulating and intimidating as a worthy career.

        Such types would be in jail if behaving like that in any other sector.

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        • #19
          Well, there is that.

          But APART from twisting, lying, cheating, manipulating and intimidating, misleading, obfuscating, stonewalling, creating double standards and gaslighting....they're probably OK,

          I am just starting to deal with a legal problem at the moment and am dreading having to do so. I have dealt with them in the past and hate it. Still, they are better than some magistrates, though to be fair I have encountered some decent and fair magistrates.

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          • #20
            Their most insideous attribute is the way they always try to weasel out of accountability and responsibility. It's very childlike.

            It reminds me of a kid in my primary school class who used to regularly pee his pants. He'd always blame someone else in the class for apparently making him do it. Perhaps he became a lawyer in later life!

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            • #21
              I have had the same tactics used on me by a real estate agent recently. After I complained about their manipulative tactics and asked for an explanation, their email reply was "Moving on from there"....and then addressing something else.
              In other words, they did not address the problem at all.

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              • #22
                They're possibly the opposite of psychiatrists.

                Psychiatrists will try to piece back together a damaged mind, whereas so many lawyers earn a living destroying people's healthy minds and consequently their lives. They really are disgusting parasites.

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                • #23
                  Hell, the other day it was so damp wet and cold that the Lawyers had their hands in their own pockets.

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                  • #24
                    Watching a special on Ebstiene. The names were changed to protect???????

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                    • #25
                      https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ng-psychopaths

                      Are Lawyers All Raging Psychopaths?

                      The book Wisdom of Psychopaths by University of Oxford psychologist Kevin Dutton has received a lot of attention from the media (and has been reviewed in the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and The Guardian). Dutton argues that there are “functional psychopaths” who—unlike criminal psychopaths—use their unempathetic, ruthless, and charismaticpersonalities to succeed in mainstream society. Dutton goes further, however, to postulate that some jobs are especially fertile grounds for functional psychopaths.

                      Based on Dutton's research, the second most psychopathic profession is that of a lawyer. (The first is a CEO). This has spurred a lot of discussion in the legal community (see, e.g., Above the Law, ABA Law Journal).

                      Dutton argues that psychopathic traits such as arrogance, ruthlessness, deceitfulness, manipulation, and charisma can help CEOs and attorneys succeed in their professions. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
                      Individuals [with psychopathic personality disorder] are arrogant and self-centered, and feel privileged and entitled. They have a grandiose, exaggerated sense of self-importance and they are primarily motivated by self-serving goals. They seek power over others and will manipulate, exploit, deceive, con, or otherwise take advantage of others, in order to inflict harm or to achieve their goals. They are callous and have little empathy for others’ needs or feelings unless they coincide with their own. They show disregard for the rights, property, or safety of others and experience little or no remorse or guilt if they cause any harm or injury to others. They may act aggressively or sadistically toward others in pursuit of their personal agendas and appear to derive pleasure or satisfaction from humiliating, demeaning dominating, or hurting others. They also have the capacity for superficial charm and ingratiation when it suits their purposes. They profess and demonstrate minimal investment in conventional moral principles and they tend to disavow responsibility for their actions and to blame others for their own failures and shortcomings.

                      At one point, Dutton speaks to a successful attorney who told him: “Deep inside me there’s a serial killer lurking somewhere. But I keep him amused with cocaine, Formula One, booty calls, and coruscating cross-examination.” Adding fuel to the fire, law professor M.E. Thomas (a pseudonym) published Confessions of a Sociopath, arguing that being a sociopath made her a better attorney.

                      On one hand, psychopathic traits of self-confidence, cold-heartedness, manipulation, deceitful charm, and ruthlessness might help in some legal situations. But this view, taken alone, is very simplistic. A psychopathic inability to be honest, be considerate, and "play nice" can be absolutely career-ending for a lawyer. Although it is not apparent from shows about lawyers on television, lawyers get disbarred all the time for carrying out some of the "psychopathic" behavior described above. The American Bar Association ("ABA") enforces its Rules of Professional Responsibilty actively, and a lawyer that behaves unethically not only risks losing his job at a law firm, but of getting sanctioned by the ABA or by a court. In fact, the author of Confessions of a Sociopath admits that her sociopathic tendencies got her fired from a top-tier law firm.

                      Law is seldom as dramatic or hostile as portrayed on television; and for most attorneys, courtesy, professionalism, respect, and honesty is paramount. These traits are required in order to win over clients, deal with opposing counsel productively, settle on cases that should be settled, interact with other lawyers on a regular basis, gain referrals from colleagues, and not aggravate judges (who tend to detect and abhor attempts at manipulation, gaming, unnecessary aggression, or dishonesty).

                      Early in my career, I spoke with one of the most successful litigators in America, known for his unparalleled history of legal victories in court. Although he had won some of the largest cases in U.S. history, he did not define a good lawyer by wins alone. Instead, he said that a good attorney is an attorney who can get a positive recommendation from: (1) a client that he represented and lost a case for; and (2) a lawyer that he opposed and won a case against.

                      Let's see a psychopath do that.

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                      • #26
                        Pleased to report that an old neighbor has finally quit being a lawyer. When I lived next door to him, he hated going to work and described the environment as "survival of the cnutiest". I could see his point - they really are like a virus heading out to see what unfortunate situation they can latch themselves onto then feed off that day.

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                        • #27
                          Unfortunately the world without lawyers would be a free for all.
                          In Canada we have a system of small claims court up to $10000. Lawyers are not allowed.Judge decides on the evidence presented.

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                          • #28
                            I don't agree. I think they should be banned. Making a profession out of screwing over or outmanoeuvring victims of your cnutishnrss is inhumane. Courts would be far nicer and fairer places without them.

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                            • #29
                              What's the difference between a lawyer and a solicitor?

                              I visited TC a few times as a guest but had to stop. It is a sickening place. - Aging One

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                              • #30
                                Solicitors and barristers are lawyers. Solicitors try to keep things out of court by sending shitty letters and then alongside the barrister prepare the case if it's going to court. Barristers attend court.

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