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  • Bob Dylan wins Nobel prize in literature 2016

    5m ago 22:01

    And the winner is...IKcWYWn.jpg

    Photograph: Michael Ochs Archives

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/li...-2016-liveblog
    http://thailandchatter.com/showthrea...ll=1#post45112

  • #2
    A Heroin addict who pens a few SJW lines achieves the Nobel Prize?
    The world is definitely out of kilter...
    God, the panic within the Dems, MSM, and left must be horrifying...realizing that Joe is really the best they've got.

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    • #3
      I wasn't aware lyricists were eligible for the prize. Reading through the wiki entry it appears this award his regularly contested.

      From 1901 to 1912, the committee was characterised by an interpretation of the "ideal direction" stated in Nobel's will as "a lofty and sound idealism."[citation needed] That caused Leo Tolstoy, Henrik Ibsen, , and Mark Twain to be rejected.[4] Also, many believe Sweden's historic antipathy towards Russia is the reason neither Tolstoy nor Anton Chekhov was awarded the prize.[citation needed] During World War I and its immediate aftermath, the committee adopted a policy of neutrality, favouring writers from non-combatant countries.[4] August Strindberg was repeatedly bypassed by the committee, but holds the singular distinction of being awarded an Anti-Nobel Prize, conferred by popular acclaim and national subscription and presented to him in 1912 by future prime minister Hjalmar Branting.[37][38][39] James Joyce wrote the books that rank 1st and 3rd on the Modern Library 100 Best Novels, Ulysses and Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man respectively, but Joyce never won; as biographer Gordon Bowker wrote, "That prize was just out of Joyce's reach."[40]
      The academy considered Czech writer Karel Čapek's War With the Newts too offensive to the German government. He also declined to suggest some noncontroversial publication that could be cited as an example of his work, stating "Thank you for the good will, but I have already written my doctoral dissertation".[41] He was thus denied the prize.
      According to Swedish Academy archives studied by the newspaper Le Monde on their opening in 2008, French novelist and intellectual was seriously considered for the prize in the 1950s. Malraux was competing with Albert Camus but was rejected several times, especially in 1954 and 1955, "so long as he does not come back to novel". Thus, Camus was awarded the prize in 1957.[42]
      Some attribute W. H. Auden's not being awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature to errors in his translation of 1961 Peace Prize laureate 's (Markings)[43]homosexual.[44]
      In 1962, John Steinbeck received the Nobel Prize for Literature. The selection was heavily criticized, and described as "one of the Academy's biggest mistakes" in one Swedish newspaper.[45] The New York Times asked why the Nobel committee gave the award to an author whose "limited talent is, in his best books, watered down by tenth-rate philosophising", adding, "we think it interesting that the laurel was not awarded to a writer ... whose significance, influence and sheer body of work had already made a more profound impression on the literature of our age".[45] Steinbeck himself, when asked if he deserved the Nobel on the day of the announcement, replied: "Frankly, no."[45] In 2012 (50 years later), the Nobel Prize opened its archives and it was revealed that Steinbeck was a "compromise choice" among a shortlist consisting of Steinbeck, British authors Robert Graves and Lawrence Durrell, French dramatist Jean Anouilh and Danish author Karen Blixen.[45] The declassified documents showed that he was chosen as the best of a bad lot,[45] "There aren't any obvious candidates for the Nobel prize and the prize committee is in an unenviable situation," wrote committee member Henry Olsson.[45]
      In 1964, Jean-Paul Sartre was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature, but he declined it, stating that "It is not the same thing if I sign Jean-Paul Sartre or if I sign Jean-Paul Sartre, Nobel Prize laureate. A writer must refuse to allow himself to be transformed into an institution, even if it takes place in the most honorable form."[46]
      Soviet dissident writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the 1970 prize laureate, did not attend the Nobel Prize ceremony in Stockholm for fear that the USSR would prevent his return afterwards (his works there were circulated in samizdat[citation needed] After the Swedish government refused to honor Solzhenitsyn with a public award ceremony and lecture at its Moscow embassy, Solzhenitsyn refused the award altogether, commenting that the conditions set by the Swedes (who preferred a private ceremony) were "an insult to the Nobel Prize itself." Solzhenitsyn did not accept the award and prize money, until 10 December 1974, after he was deported from the Soviet Union.[47]
      In 1974, Graham Greene, Vladimir Nabokov, and Saul Bellow were considered but rejected in favor of a joint award for Swedish authors Eyvind Johnson and Harry Martinson, both members of the Swedish Academy at the time,[48] and unknown outside their home country.[49][50] Bellow received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1976; neither Greene nor Nabokov was awarded it.[51]
      Argentine writer Jorge Luis Borges was nominated for the Prize several times but, as Edwin Williamson, Borges's biographer, states, the Academy did not award it to him, most likely because of his support of certain Argentine and Chilean right-wing military dictators, including Augusto PinochetBorges: A Life, had complex social and personal contexts.[52] Borges' failure to receive the Nobel Prize for his support of these right-wing dictators contrasts with the Committee honoring writers who openly supported controversial left-wing dictatorships, including Joseph Stalin, in the cases of Sartre and Pablo Neruda,[53][54] and Fidel Castro, in the case of .[55]
      The award to Italian performance artist Dario Fo in 1997 was initially considered "rather lightweight"[56] by some critics, as he was seen primarily as a performer and Catholic organizations saw the award to Fo as controversial as he had previously been censured by the Roman Catholic Church.[57] The Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano expressed surprise at Fo's selection for the prize commenting that "Giving the prize to someone who is also the author of questionable works is beyond all imagination."[58] Salman Rushdie and Arthur Miller had been strongly favoured to receive the Prize, but the Nobel organisers were later quoted as saying that they would have been "too predictable, too popular."[59]
      willingly offered his services as an informer for Franco's regime and had moved voluntarily from Madrid to Galicia during the Spanish Civil War in order to join the rebel forces there; an article by Miguel Angel Villena, Between Fear and Impunity which compiled commentaries by Spanish novelists on the noteworthy silence of the older generation of Spanish novelists on the Francoist pasts of public intellectuals, appeared below a photograph of Cela during the Nobel ceremony in Stockholm in 1989.[60]
      The choice of the 2004 laureate, Elfriede Jelinek, was protested by a member of the Swedish Academy, Knut Ahnlund, who had not played an active role in the Academy since 1996; Ahnlund resigned, alleging that selecting Jelinek had caused "irreparable damage" to the reputation of the award.[61][62]
      The selection of Harold Pinter for the Prize in 2005 was delayed for a couple of days, apparently due to Ahnlund's resignation, and led to renewed speculations about there being a "political element" in the Swedish Academy's awarding of the Prize.[5] Although Pinter was unable to give his controversial Nobel Lecture in person because of ill health, he delivered it from a television studio on video projected on screens to an audience at the Swedish Academy, in Stockholm. His comments have been the source of much commentary and debate. The issue of their "political stance" was also raised in response to the awards of the Nobel Prize in Literature to Orhan Pamuk and Doris Lessing in 2006 and 2007, respectively.[63]
      The 2016 choice of Bob Dylan was unconventional because it was the first time a musician and song-writer won the Nobel for Literature. While most commentators applauded the choice, it was not without critics. Scottish novelist Irvine Welsh said "I'm a Dylan fan, but this is an ill conceived nostalgia award wrenched from the rancid prostates of senile, gibbering hippies."[64] Writer and commentator Will Self claimed that the award "cheapened" Dylan whilst hoping the laureate would "follow Sartre in rejecting the award".[65]
      Nationality-based criticism



      French author Albert Camus was the first African-born writer to receive the award.


      The prize's focus on European men, and Swedes in particular, has been the subject of criticism, even from Swedish newspapers.[66] The majority of laureates have been European, with Sweden itself receiving more prizes than all of Asia, as well as all of Latin America. In 2009, Horace Engdahl, then the permanent secretary of the Academy, declared that "Europe still is the center of the literary world" and that "the US is too isolated, too insular. They don't translate enough and don't really participate in the big dialogue of literature."[67]
      In 2009, Engdahl's replacement, Peter Englund, rejected this sentiment ("In most language areas ... there are authors that really deserve and could get the Nobel Prize and that goes for the United States and the Americas, as well") and acknowledged the Eurocentric nature of the award, saying that, "I think that is a problem. We tend to relate more easily to literature written in Europe and in the European tradition."[68] American critics are known to object that those from their own country, like Philip Roth, Thomas Pynchon, and Cormac McCarthy, have been overlooked, as have Latin Americans such as Jorge Luis Borges, , and Carlos Fuentes, while in their place Europeans lesser-known to that continent have triumphed. The 2009 award to , previously little-known outside Germany but many times named favorite for the Nobel Prize, re-ignited the viewpoint that the Swedish Academy was biased and Eurocentric.[69]
      However, the 2010 prize was awarded to Mario Vargas Llosa, a native of Peru in South America. When the 2011 prize was awarded to the eminent Swedish poet , permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy Peter Englund said the prize was not decided based on politics, describing such a notion as "literature for dummies".[70] The Swedish Academy awarded the next two prizes to non-Europeans, Chinese author Mo Yan and Canadian short story writer Alice Munro. French writer Patrick Modiano's win in 2014 renewed questions of Eurocentrism; when asked by The Wall Street Journal "So no American this year, yet again. Why is that?", Englund reminded Americans of the Canadian origins of the previous year's winner, the Academy's desire for literary quality and the impossibility of rewarding everyone who deserves the prize.[71]
      Overlooked literary achievements

      In the history of the Nobel Prize in Literature, many literary achievements were overlooked. The literary historian Kjell Espmark admitted that "as to the early prizes, the censure of bad choices and blatant omissions is often justified. Tolstoy, Ibsen, and Henry James should have been rewarded instead of, for instance, Sully Prudhomme, Eucken, and Heyse".[72] There are omissions which are beyond the control of the Nobel Committee such as the early death of an author as was the case with Marcel Proust, Italo Calvino, and . According to Kjell Espmark "the main works of Kafka, Cavafy, and Pessoa were not published until after their deaths and the true dimensions of Mandelstam's poetry were revealed above all in the unpublished poems that his wife saved from extinction and gave to the world long after he had perished in his Siberian exile".[72] British novelist Tim Parks ascribed the never-ending controversy surrounding the decisions of the Nobel Committee to the "essential silliness of the prize and our own foolishness at taking it seriously"[73] and noted that "eighteen (or sixteen) Swedish nationals will have a certain credibility when weighing up works of Swedish literature, but what group could ever really get its mind round the infinitely varied work of scores of different traditions. And why should we ask them to do that?"[73]

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      • #4
        Dylan was cited for poetry as were many winners before him . He is also cited for songwriting , here he is on his own .

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._in_Literature
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        • #5
          Some attribute W. H. Auden's not being awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature to errors in his translation of 1961 Peace Prize laureate 's [43]homosexual.
          He was.

          I think it was a tremendous choice actually. So it goes without saying that many decrepit old dinosaurs, without any relevance to popular culture at all, no influence at all, and absolutely no name recognition outside of their own cloistered, pseudo academic literary circles, would resent it. Give the prize to some obscure fossil, instead!

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          • #6
            Literature is an odd beast. Many famous literary giants only became so posthumously. Kafka, Thoreau, Poe and Keats are a few. Austen is another good example -- I've read three of her novels this year. The No bell prize can only be awarded to those with a pulse.

            Oh yeah, and there's this homo, who had a million insightful quips but was never acknowledged as a great writer of his day (late 19th century).

            oscar_wilde_1.jpg

            2016 must have been a slow year for literature.
            Last edited by Texpat; 10-15-2016, 11:14 PM.

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            • #7
              ^ Today's his birthday.

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              • #8
                Another worthy contender. More of a poet than Dylan, really.

                leonard-cohen.jpg

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                • #9
                  ^

                  yes , there are many who agree .
                  http://thailandchatter.com/showthrea...ll=1#post45112

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mid View Post
                    ^

                    yes , there are many who agree .
                    Pop culture out of control...
                    God, the panic within the Dems, MSM, and left must be horrifying...realizing that Joe is really the best they've got.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sabang View Post
                      He was.

                      I think it was a tremendous choice actually. So it goes without saying that many decrepit old dinosaurs, without any relevance to popular culture at all, no influence at all, and absolutely no name recognition outside of their own cloistered, pseudo academic literary circles, would resent it. Give the prize to some obscure fossil, instead!
                      Yes indeed, give the Prize to a crooner who penned "Blowin' In The Wind" which was picked up by no less than the Weather Underground who went on to blow things up and create social anarchy.

                      Yes, fine choice...
                      God, the panic within the Dems, MSM, and left must be horrifying...realizing that Joe is really the best they've got.

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                      • #12
                        So you admit- his prose was relevant and had an effect. Thank you.

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                        • #13
                          Pop culture out of control...
                          In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
                          Was looked on as something shocking.
                          But now, God knows,
                          Anything goes.
                          Good authors too who once knew better words
                          Now only use four-letter words
                          Writing prose.
                          Anything goes.
                          If driving fast cars you like,
                          If low bars you like,
                          If old hymns you like,
                          If bare limbs you like,
                          If Mae West you like,
                          Or me undressed you like,
                          Why, nobody will oppose.
                          When ev'ry night the set that's smart is in-
                          Truding in nudist parties in
                          Studios.
                          Anything goes.

                          Everything was Pop culture once booner. Catch up.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sabang View Post
                            his prose was relevant
                            Surely it's verse.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sabang View Post
                              In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
                              Was looked on as something shocking.
                              But now, God knows,
                              Anything goes.
                              Good authors too who once knew better words
                              Now only use four-letter words
                              Writing prose.
                              Anything goes.
                              If driving fast cars you like,
                              If low bars you like,
                              If old hymns you like,
                              If bare limbs you like,
                              If Mae West you like,
                              Or me undressed you like,
                              Why, nobody will oppose.
                              When ev'ry night the set that's smart is in-
                              Truding in nudist parties in
                              Studios.
                              Anything goes.

                              Everything was Pop culture once booner. Catch up.
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