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[CCBW]

If you were a mercan you would say "I could care less", they also say 'then' when they mean 'than' and vice versa.





















A short announcement from the Grammar Police.

I see Pale is still on posters about that "Then" and "Than"

How ya doing? I thought you had vanished from Thailand?

Cheers

[CCBW]

I enjoy guns. Had my first shotgun at 7 (20 ga). Gift from Uncle to start upland game bird hunting. But like everything times have changed and guns are a problem due to the users and the weapons available.

I respect the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms but that was written when they were muzzle loading single shots with a range of about 30 ft and took about a minute to reload..

My stance is that all assault rifles should be banned from basic consumer purchasing. Those guns were designed and made for military combat use and as we can see work well for killing mass people extremely fast. If they do not want to ban them, make it a long complex convoluted process to buy one and the govt shouldn't have any problem making it just that. Hell most of their process are slow and cumbersome now. US consumers are impulse buyers in general. If it took say a year or so to get one and the purchaser went under some serious scrutiny it would curb a great portion of people buying. Sure people could buy Grey Market but it would be illegal to sell one or purchase new without docs to support it. They key is to stop making and selling them to the general public its just WAY to easy to get them.

[palexxxx]

I see Pale is still on posters about that "Then" and "Than"


How ya doing? I thought you had vanished from Thailand?

Cheers

Who dat? What's your previous nic? Is that you Jeff?

No, still here. Just got my tail between my legs since being booted off TeakDoor. How will I ever get over it?

[palexxxx]

I enjoy guns. Had my first shotgun at 7 (20 ga). Gift from Uncle to start upland game bird hunting. But like everything times have changed and guns are a problem due to the users and the weapons available.

I respect the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms but that was written when they were muzzle loading single shots with a range of about 30 ft and took about a minute to reload..

My stance is that all assault rifles should be banned from basic consumer purchasing. Those guns were designed and made for military combat use and as we can see work well for killing mass people extremely fast. If they do not want to ban them, make it a long complex convoluted process to buy one and the govt shouldn't have any problem making it just that. Hell most of their process are slow and cumbersome now. US consumers are impulse buyers in general. If it took say a year or so to get one and the purchaser went under some serious scrutiny it would curb a great portion of people buying. Sure people could buy Grey Market but it would be illegal to sell one or purchase new without docs to support it. They key is to stop making and selling them to the general public its just WAY to easy to get them.

You beat me by two years in 20 ga. ownership (9th birthday present from dad).

But in regards to your comment about 'assault rifles', according to an American friend of mine, they have been illegal since 1994.

To make it easier I'll just copy and paste his argument about 'assault rifles' that he posted on Facebook.




Import Gun Control Information
Let me start by saying that I AM in favor of stricter gun control laws as are most of you. But asking your congressman to ban assault rifles is working against you. Why? Because they are already illegal to own. You may not know that.
They already were banned. The 'Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act' (the Federal Assault Weapons Ban) was enacted as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. It expired in 2004, but was replace by Federal and State licensing, as well as Municipal licensing requirements. One of those requirements is to show valid 'need' for ownership. Ten of the fifty states do not even issue this license. Three different licenses, almost impossible to obtain, are the requirements to own an assault weapon today.
The AR-15 only LOOKS like an assault rifle. It doesn't work like one. It's not an automatic-firing weapon. But it does have a big replaceable 30-round magazine like one. And because Big Media has used the term 'Assault Rifle' with the AR-15, you think that is what it is. It is not.
So your congressman hears 'Please ban assault rifles' and he says 'Hmmm, that's already done. Let's move on to the next item on the agenda?' and he moves along. You got nothing accomplished.
The biggest difference in the AR-15 and Uncle Joe's deer rifle is that extended 30-round detachable magazine. THAT is what is allowing the crazies to spray unlimited bullets everywhere. He pulls the trigger 30 times, presses a button and replaces the empty magazine with a full one in three seconds, and keeps on spraying bullets. He has to pull the trigger for each shot, but if the bullets are there, he can keep on firing. If you want to stop the crazies from spraying bullets everywhere, get rid of the detachable magazine. Limit rifles to a three round non-detachable magazine. It's that simple. And it's something your congressman can work with.
There are other gun control measures that need to be addressed; the Gun Shop Loophole, private unregistered sales, background checks, training and safety, etc,, etc. But if we take the replaceable 30-round magazine out of the equation, we have put a major crimp in the ability for mass shootings. And this is do-able!

[Guest]

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My stance is that all assault rifles should be banned from basic consumer purchasing.

And "assault rifles" are already banned. An "assault rifle" is a selective fire weapon used by the military which is currently not available to the public.

Weapons like the Colt AR-15 are technically called semi-automatic sporting rifles.

The media and gun-grabber politicians want an ignorant public to confuse the two by creating the term "assault weapon".
The gun-grabber also jump all over tragedies like Lakeland FL to whip up anti firearm hysteria and ignore the truly tragic circumstances which precipitated the shootings.

[Exexpat]

People don't need guns. Just ban the lot and let the gunhappy yanks slowly get over their weird addiction.

[Mid]

Arm ALL 'mericans , man woman and child and build that bloody wall ................

[CCBW]

Yes they are illegal but we are splitting hairs here as anybody with a small tool set can take an AR 15 and make it a fully automatic high mag volume killing weapon. I had 2 AR "Sporting Rifles" I know exactly what it takes to do it and states like Hawaii and Arizona allow some mods where other states do not. I have several friends that have done the mods to their AR15s. It takes a few hours and until recently you could watch a DIY on YouTube.

That aside, limiting magazine qty does nothing. People planning on offing large number of people are not going to obey Mag laws. You have to limit access to the style of guns that can produce high volume output. Maybe make all rim fire weapons "Bolt action" like my deer rifle..LOL !!! Christ if someone was descent with a Beretta 92f 9mm and walked in with 2 with larger clips they could pop off 20 plus rounds quickly.

I do agree that the term Assault Weapon is generic now and used as a general term when a mass shooting happens.

Regardless this is a charged debate. I still think our constitution needs a few revisions to adapt to the current times.

[Guest]

Yes they are illegal but we are splitting hairs here as anybody with a small tool set can take an AR 15 and make it a fully automatic high mag volume killing weapon. I had 2 AR "Sporting Rifles" I know exactly what it takes to do it and states like Hawaii and Arizona allow some mods where other states do not. I have several friends that have done the mods to their AR15s. It takes a few hours and until recently you could watch a DIY on YouTube.

That aside, limiting magazine qty does nothing. People planning on offing large number of people are not going to obey Mag laws. You have to limit access to the style of guns that can produce high volume output. Maybe make all rim fire weapons "Bolt action" like my deer rifle..LOL !!! Christ if someone was descent with a Beretta 92f 9mm and walked in with 2 with larger clips they could pop off 20 plus rounds quickly.

I do agree that the term Assault Weapon is generic now and used as a general term when a mass shooting happens.

Regardless this is a charged debate. I still think our constitution needs a few revisions to adapt to the current times.

Someone skilled with a six shot revolver and two speed loaders can do a lot of damage also.
Back when I trained with police shooters on scenario sets in NM with a Ruger security six, I scored equal or better that many of the guys with Glock 17's or Beretta 92's.

Sure the world might well be a better place without any firearms whatsoever, but that is simply liberal lalaland.

#1 real issue imo, is one of personal responsibility. This is talked about precious little.
Fact is, you take away people's personal responsibility, you end up with more irresponsible people. (the situation we are in now)

#2 Is the culture of violence spread by warmongering government and media designed to indoctrinate violence as the norm. Much of the violence begins very early with newborn infant males, subjected to male genital mutilation.

More laws and more government simply make things worse, every time.

[Chesty P.]

Sure the world might well be a better place without any firearms whatsoever, but that is simply liberal lalaland.

[Boon Mee]

Yes they are illegal but we are splitting hairs here as anybody with a small tool set can take an AR 15 and make it a fully automatic high mag volume killing weapon. I had 2 AR "Sporting Rifles" I know exactly what it takes to do it and states like Hawaii and Arizona allow some mods where other states do not. I have several friends that have done the mods to their AR15s. It takes a few hours and until recently you could watch a DIY on YouTube.

That aside, limiting magazine qty does nothing. People planning on offing large number of people are not going to obey Mag laws. You have to limit access to the style of guns that can produce high volume output. Maybe make all rim fire weapons "Bolt action" like my deer rifle..LOL !!! Christ if someone was descent with a Beretta 92f 9mm and walked in with 2 with larger clips they could pop off 20 plus rounds quickly.

I do agree that the term Assault Weapon is generic now and used as a general term when a mass shooting happens.

Regardless this is a charged debate. I still think our constitution needs a few revisions to adapt to the current times.

Careful now CCBW - you're going to raise the IQ level of this here forum with well-thought-out posts like this one...

[CCBW]

You know Booners I am a huge gun advocate and owned many in my lifetime. I enjoyed the hobby and the time spent with family and friends on outings especially duck clubs where hunting Ducks and Geese in the morning was really secondary to the night of poker and drinking.

But times have changed. weapons have changed society has changed and now there are far too many demented bored social rejects that play far to many Call of Duty type games and the line between reality and make believe are blurred.

I am absolutely against banning guns. I am for deciding what type of guns should be available to the general public and putting stiff controls in place that would help mitigate some of these mass shootings.

Regardless it's a long process as there are millions of guns already out there. For now parents need to step up and pay close attention to their kids.

Speaking of kids, my Dad laughs as he said the ass whoopings he used to put on me for doing stupid shit or behaving poorly when I was growing up would land him in jail nowadays. LOL.

[Guest]

But times have changed. weapons have changed society .

Correction, firearms have not changed society.

Programs, policies and laws like social welfare, the war on drugs, and liberal government takeover of education have changed society. Also the transition to a debt based economy are all part of the growing malaise of society.

The war of drugs is a war on families and has given rise to an intrusive and militarized police force.
The privatized corrections system insensitivizes the police to keep the prisons filled.
The USA has more people incarcerated than China! Most are non-violent drug offenders.
The legal ownership of firearms by private citizens is not the cause, not by a long shot.

[Exexpat]

You know Booners I am a huge gun advocate and owned many in my lifetime.

I am absolutely against banning guns.

I really pity anyone who grows up in a country where that is normal.

Drinking milk from the breasts of cows as an adult seems fine but drinking human breast milk disgusts. It's all about conditioning. The US has a huge psychological problem.

[Mid]

keep the guns , kill the kids maga