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Thailand 'agrees to UK police help'
18/10/2014
The Ocean View Bungalows hotel where two British backpackers who were murdered were staying on the southern island of Koh Tao, Sept 17, 2014
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Someone on Thaivisa PM'd me a link of the immediate pics of the deceased in this case. I was just curious to see them because they were all talking about them. I hate gore pics and **** but I wanted to see them.
It is profoundly disturbing.It is fuct up to say the least. It looks like an animal attack.
PM if you want to see.
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I'm quite sure most have an imagination capable of understanding the effects of a heavy how to the head without the need to see the graphic details. The very thought is horrifying enough to realise that the perpetrator was the most dangerous of all animals...the human variety.
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Originally posted by troy View PostI'm quite sure most have an imagination capable of understanding the effects of a heavy how to the head without the need to see the graphic details. The very thought is horrifying enough to realise that the perpetrator was the most dangerous of all animals...the human variety.
I was intrigued by a post on t'other channel though. Some one had commented that the pictures were so brutal that just seeing them made him angry enough to get involved in the protests about the murders/rape and he wanted to make a positive contribution, because without that stimulus, he would not have cared so much.
Although I have not seen the pictures, I can understand that level of emotion.
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Originally posted by troy View PostI'm quite sure most have an imagination capable of understanding the effects of a heavy how to the head without the need to see the graphic details. The very thought is horrifying enough to realise that the perpetrator was the most dangerous of all animals...the human variety.
I still wonder about that first djck head they arrested . The guy with the cut up hand
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Families of Thai murder victims invited to secure death sentences for suspects despite concerns they've been framed
Simon Parry
19 October 2014
- Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered in Koh Tao, Thailand
- Two Burmese workers were arrested for deaths but claim they were framed
- Families of the British victims can team up with prosecutors to file charges
dailymail.co.uk
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PM denies UK role in murder case
PM denies UK role in murder case
19/10/2014
Here to observe, not investigate
Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has denied media reports that he will allow British police to participate in the investigation into the murder of two UK tourists on Koh Tao last month.
Speaking at Suvarnabhumi airport after returning from the 10th Asia-Europe Meeting (Asem) in Milan, Gen Prayut said the British government will send a team of observers to follow progress in the investigation into the murders.
Media including the BBC and the TelegraphGen Prayut Chan-o-cha
(Photo by Pattanapong Hirunard)
Gen Prayut said on Saturday he discussed the murder case with Mr Cameron during the Asem meeting.
"I sat near the British Prime Minister. He asked me to take care of the Koh Tao case. I answered his questions and he was satisfied," he said.
He added that Thai authorities have answered all the questions raised by media and concerned parties over the investigation.
According to Gen Prayut, Mr Cameron told him that his government had no problem with the Thai judicial process, although British people who follow media reports had questions.
"They will send observers. Currently, there are also some observers from the British embassy," Gen Prayut said.
His British counterpart asked him to prevent similar tragedies because Britons loved to visit Thailand, Gen Prayut said.
Gen Prayut also countered reports and photos of protests against him while he attended the Asem meeting in Milan. He said he did not see any protests at the meeting.
"Such pictures could be taken anywhere and posted [on social media]. I don't know where the protests took place, but I didn't see them. They might have held up the placards outside their houses and taken photos," he said.
Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwon, who is in charge of national security, also confirmed that British police will come only as observers and "they will not get involved in the investigation".
Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman Sek Wannamethee yesterday brushed aside an online petition urging the UK government to independently investigate the Koh Tao murders.
He said that although such a petition is allowed under British law, it will not affect the investigation by Thai police as the judicial processes of the two countries are entirely independent of each other.
The petition, launched on Oct 4 on Change.org, passed the 100,000 signature mark on Friday. British law stipulates that an e-petition with at least 100,000 signatures can be debated in the House of Commons.
Nakhon Chompuchart, a human rights lawyer from the Lawyers Council of Thailand, said the council is expected tomorrow to appoint him as an adviser to a team representing the two suspects.
He said he will visit the suspects at the Koh Samui prison.
Although they have reportedly confessed to the crime, they had the right to retract the statements when they go to court, Mr Nakhon said.
bangkokpost.com
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THE KOH TAO MURDERS - HOW CAN THE COUNTRY PROGRESS IF IT WILL NOT ACCEPT THE TRUTH
Thursday, October 16, 2014
'KOH TAO MURDERS'
'LET BRITISH POLICE CHECK THE DNA'
'HOW COME POLICE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DRUGS'
'HOW CAN YOU SOLVE THE COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS IF YOU WON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND END HYPOCRICY'
Sondhi Limthongkul
A TV review by 'The Weapon'.
For foreigners in Thailand who have not quite grasped the language a poster to this site and master of the photo shopped picture 'The Weapon' has provided a review of Sondhi Limthongkul's comments on his chat show last night on ASTV - which centred on the brutal murders of Britons Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao. It makes interesting reading.
Sondhi starts off with a general talk about the new Government and the job Prayuth is doing. He says as a career soldier Prayuth loves country his and King but like previous Governments he is acting like a bureaucrat when he tries to overly protect the Kingdom's reputation.
He said the new guys in power are like all politicians is being only concerned with their own survival and interests. He says Thailand's international reputation will be 'bankrupt' if the tourist industry and the countries interests are put before justice.
He then says it is clear other countries suspect scapegoats have been arrested. He uses the word พิรุธ or phi-rut to describe this Koh Tao case. This word means suspect, dubious, dodgy etc. He uses this word to describe what everyone is saying about the case.
They get onto Koh Tao and the full moon parties with another guy saying everyone from blind Freddy to Dang the street dog knows these parties are where people go for drugs and sex. Sondhi then says world wide everybody knows this but if you ask the Thai police they just deny it.
He then says if drugs are illegal in Thailand how is this then acceptable? It must be stopped or the parties shut down if the Government is fair dinkum about the rule of law. He then says Prayuth himself should go and ask the people on Phuket and Samui etc about this. The people will tell him if he asks.
The whole talk he is intimating Prayuth is a bit naive about certain things and how the police abuse and profit from these things. (I think he is just watching his manners here, not wanting to be too critical of him)
They then move to a talk about social media and how the masses just don't accept what has gone on in this case.
He says Scotland Yard should be invited into a joint investigation but Thailand doesn't allow this.
He mentions the embassy was called in London for a 'please explain' and says that is not normal unless there is great concern about the case.
They then get onto the fact social media is accusing the son of a local influential figure but it is not only farangs who suspect him, Thais do as well as shown by what is going on on Facebook etc.
Footnote: There have been very serious cases of foreigners murdered. Protest has been more muted in the past because now everyone was internet savvy.Sondhi then starts to fire up about the Thai police saying he has first hand experience about how crooked they can be, he mentions the Sherry Duncan case claiming the police paid fake witnesses to give bogus evidence.
The other guys chime in with the Saudi diamond case as another example.
He then goes on how this 'top down' system of the police must be reformed and a new way of doing things must be developed. He says he doesn't want to talk too much about this as he will be accused of 'not loving his country.' He then says how the hell can you solve the countries problems if you cannot accept the truth? If you close your eyes and don't accept what is true, how can you fix any problem?
They then say the DSI should be called immediately for a case involving a crime of national importance like this. Just like the FBI investigates federal crimes in America. Then there is a brief conversation about the politics of the police in Thailand and how there have been zero reform so far from the new Government.
They then talk about this and how even if somebody offers suggestions about reform they are ignored and things continue as before. When he taps the table Sondhi says all Thai Governments are only interested in two things, their own survival and looking good. He says wait and see if Prayuth and the rest of them don't do exactly that.
Then follows a long political discussion that leads into them saying Pornthip is enemy of the police but that is actually good as it provides a system of checks and balances. They then say this is important to check the 'chain of evidence' from the so called offender right up to when it's presented in court. The taking of DNA must be clean and protected through it's journey through the system. They agree this just doesn't happen in Thailand. The police take the DNA sample and send it to the lab but nobody knows what happens in between.
They finish by saying nobody should be scared to let somebody else check the DNA, don't be afraid, just let the truth come out. He says tourism has dropped 19% and Thailand's reputation is tied to tourism. They say it is fellows Asians who are scared to come to Thailand not Europeans.
Sondhi closes by saying crimes against farangs are nothing new but there hasn't been such a serious case as the one in Koh Tao. In the past suspects have been caught but this case has left people totally suspicious.
JUSTICE FOR HANNAH AND DAVID FACEBOOK PAGE
andrew-drummond.com
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Originally posted by Mid View PostTHE KOH TAO MURDERS - HOW CAN THE COUNTRY PROGRESS IF IT WILL NOT ACCEPT THE TRUTH
Thursday, October 16, 2014
'KOH TAO MURDERS'
'LET BRITISH POLICE CHECK THE DNA'
'HOW COME POLICE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DRUGS'
'HOW CAN YOU SOLVE THE COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS IF YOU WON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND END HYPOCRICY'
Sondhi Limthongkul
A TV review by 'The Weapon'.
For foreigners in Thailand who have not quite grasped the language a poster to this site and master of the photo shopped picture 'The Weapon' has provided a review of Sondhi Limthongkul's comments on his chat show last night on ASTV - which centred on the brutal murders of Britons Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao. It makes interesting reading.
Sondhi starts off with a general talk about the new Government and the job Prayuth is doing. He says as a career soldier Prayuth loves country his and King but like previous Governments he is acting like a bureaucrat when he tries to overly protect the Kingdom's reputation.
He said the new guys in power are like all politicians is being only concerned with their own survival and interests. He says Thailand's international reputation will be 'bankrupt' if the tourist industry and the countries interests are put before justice.
He then says it is clear other countries suspect scapegoats have been arrested. He uses the word พิรุธ or phi-rut to describe this Koh Tao case. This word means suspect, dubious, dodgy etc. He uses this word to describe what everyone is saying about the case.
They get onto Koh Tao and the full moon parties with another guy saying everyone from blind Freddy to Dang the street dog knows these parties are where people go for drugs and sex. Sondhi then says world wide everybody knows this but if you ask the Thai police they just deny it.
He then says if drugs are illegal in Thailand how is this then acceptable? It must be stopped or the parties shut down if the Government is fair dinkum about the rule of law. He then says Prayuth himself should go and ask the people on Phuket and Samui etc about this. The people will tell him if he asks.
The whole talk he is intimating Prayuth is a bit naive about certain things and how the police abuse and profit from these things. (I think he is just watching his manners here, not wanting to be too critical of him)
They then move to a talk about social media and how the masses just don't accept what has gone on in this case.
He says Scotland Yard should be invited into a joint investigation but Thailand doesn't allow this.
He mentions the embassy was called in London for a 'please explain' and says that is not normal unless there is great concern about the case.
They then get onto the fact social media is accusing the son of a local influential figure but it is not only farangs who suspect him, Thais do as well as shown by what is going on on Facebook etc.
Footnote: There have been very serious cases of foreigners murdered. Protest has been more muted in the past because now everyone was internet savvy.Sondhi then starts to fire up about the Thai police saying he has first hand experience about how crooked they can be, he mentions the Sherry Duncan case claiming the police paid fake witnesses to give bogus evidence.
The other guys chime in with the Saudi diamond case as another example.
He then goes on how this 'top down' system of the police must be reformed and a new way of doing things must be developed. He says he doesn't want to talk too much about this as he will be accused of 'not loving his country.' He then says how the hell can you solve the countries problems if you cannot accept the truth? If you close your eyes and don't accept what is true, how can you fix any problem?
They then say the DSI should be called immediately for a case involving a crime of national importance like this. Just like the FBI investigates federal crimes in America. Then there is a brief conversation about the politics of the police in Thailand and how there have been zero reform so far from the new Government.
They then talk about this and how even if somebody offers suggestions about reform they are ignored and things continue as before. When he taps the table Sondhi says all Thai Governments are only interested in two things, their own survival and looking good. He says wait and see if Prayuth and the rest of them don't do exactly that.
Then follows a long political discussion that leads into them saying Pornthip is enemy of the police but that is actually good as it provides a system of checks and balances. They then say this is important to check the 'chain of evidence' from the so called offender right up to when it's presented in court. The taking of DNA must be clean and protected through it's journey through the system. They agree this just doesn't happen in Thailand. The police take the DNA sample and send it to the lab but nobody knows what happens in between.
They finish by saying nobody should be scared to let somebody else check the DNA, don't be afraid, just let the truth come out. He says tourism has dropped 19% and Thailand's reputation is tied to tourism. They say it is fellows Asians who are scared to come to Thailand not Europeans.
Sondhi closes by saying crimes against farangs are nothing new but there hasn't been such a serious case as the one in Koh Tao. In the past suspects have been caught but this case has left people totally suspicious.
JUSTICE FOR HANNAH AND DAVID FACEBOOK PAGE
andrew-drummond.com
Thanks to over reactions like this, western nanny states won't stop molesting SE Asian countries until they are
nanny states themselves
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Originally posted by socal View Posttens of thousands of ppl go to full moon parties annually with no issues at all. This is what I mean about the Brittles destroying thailand. 2 of them get killed so hey, let's shut down all full moon parties.
Thanks to over reactions like this, western nanny states won't stop molesting SE Asian countries until they are
nanny states themselvestens of thousands of ppl go to full moon parties annually with no issues at all.
I have not seen the pictures but I know you have. Even a bloody fool like you can see that the kind of horrific violence inflicted on those two, was done by a psychotic neanderthal with a sense of entitlement. Who killed those people Socal? Was it you or some Thai sh!tbag?
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A child from one of the worlds largest nanny states. Free education (well you had the option even though you obviously declined it), Universal Health Care, Legal system that is relatively impartial, safe financial system and so on. Yet you bleat on with your one and only comment "socialist nanny state" many have said that you are pathetic and sad, but son you are really very boring.
What does your phil GF think? Why has she left the asian paradise for your nanny state? Even on the patch you could not express views like you do on here without loosing teeth. Phoney, troll is our Socal.
I am writing to the mods on TD asking them if you can be reinstated. I think it is unfair for them to cast you loose to pollute this little forum.
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